Number of fights per week

Niveous · Post by **Niveous** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:03 pm

I agree with Bill about the reviews. When I'm at work, I can't stream music but I can download it. It's easier for me to download a smaller fight and thus I'm more likely to review it. But that's just my situation.

Smalltown Mike · Post by **Smalltown Mike** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:03 pm

I'm good with one title. I agree that if you're really going to do a song, you'll find an angle for the title. And why scatter everyone's attention in different directions with more than one title?

I mean, Leaf's attention span is scattered enough already. Why make it worse?

glennny · Post by **glennny** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:43 pm

Just a thought:

Why not regular oscillations? They're every 10 days or so right? so each month has the 3 song fight, then the 2 song fight, then the Singular. Gives us all a chance to anticipate.

Ultimately, please do what you please Fight Masters!

Post by **Lunkhead** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:10 pm

I like the single title fights, but I think it's a good idea to mix it up some times and have >1 title when the FMs feel like it. I wound up not usually having enough time to listen to all of the songs in all of the fights when there were 2+ titles. Nowadays I can listen to all of the songs. Part of why multiple titles resulted in more songs was because of people entering multiple fights. I did it a couple times, too, but with totally different projects. Still, (this part is obviously just my unsubstantiated opinion) many of the people who can enter multiple fights at once regularly are not making stuff that I enjoy at all, it just feels like throwaway music with little effort behind it. And who needs that? There's already too much of that in the single title fights...

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:51 pm

jack wrote:
Niveous wrote: I would prefer having more songs to enjoy.
enjoy or suffer through. one man's pleasure is another man's pain.

This is not dissing on my [considered] bro Jack, who is a star - but Jack - in the last year, regardless of number of fights, how many fights you fought in? 2, by my countin'. 2 good songs, but really, this [to me] exemplifies the number of people a'shoutin' for one fight - people who just don't fight one, two, three or eleven.

I would, and will fight when there is more than one title. I did for eleven. If I'm entirely honest, I have fought once in collab in the one-fight system. My point being it's very well for people like Jack and Hip Cola to turn up and big up the one fight system, but they never fought that much, regardless. Not dissing them in any way, but just trying to put their stance into persepective, right? I fought something like 110, pretty much in a row, during the multi-fight period, and I am not asking anyone to turn a blind eye ....

Caravan Ray · Post by **Caravan Ray** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:04 pm

Niveous wrote: One- too little song
Three- too little fight
Two- Songfight.

I voted for "one" - but I really can't disagree with Niveous' beautifully succinct argument above. He may have hit the nail on the head.

BTW: has anyone done the sums and worked out, on average, which number of songs garners the most total participants each week? The best answer may lie there.

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:11 pm

Agreed, except for me...

a) the most number of good songs <> the most number of entrants.

b) a single fight friend-flooded < one of two or three fights friend-flooded. Which is where this thread started.

Just my opinion, of course.

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:21 pm

j$ wrote: This is not dissing on my [considered] bro Jack, who is a star - but Jack - in the last year, regardless of number of fights, how many fights you fought in? 2, by my countin'. 2 good songs, but really, this [to me] exemplifies the number of people a'shoutin' for one fight - people who just don't fight one, two, three or eleven.

I would, and will fight when there is more than one title. I did for eleven. If I'm entirely honest, I have fought once in collab in the one-fight system. My point being it's very well for people like Jack and Hip Cola to turn up and big up the one fight system, but they never fought that much, regardless. Not dissing them in any way, but just trying to put their stance into persepective, right? I fought something like 110, pretty much in a row, during the multi-fight period, and I am not asking anyone to turn a blind eye ....

yup. 2. one with you (JitC) and one with leaf and e-money (brody).

pretty sad.

that said, it's not like i'm a stranger talkin out my ass here..........

jack wrote:i'll bite. chronologically (to the best of my knowledge)

shreds - brody*
so aggravating - alfred e. shrub
red flag - brody*
too goth to rock - jack shite
the blue signal - jack shite*
level best - jack shite
birthdays and breakups - brody
birthdays and breakups - yokels only (me and blue)
so long atticus - brody*
so long atticus - the mockingbirds (me and marcus kellis)
sunny again - captain emo
a variation on 2 - jack shite
a variation on 2 - IRC all stars
gonna be your man - la playa caballeros (me, chris, and spud)
mumbo jumbo - evermind (i was featured)
unless i change my mind - brody
bad attraction - jack shite
need stilts - IRC all stars
need stilts - biggie shite and the songfight boy band (me and the boys)
what we need more of is science - brody (lyrics by fluffy)
accelerator - insects ahead (me and glenn case)
thunderstorm - jack shite
step up - jefferson (i produced e money)
step up - jack shite
foam rubber - the krispy kremes (me and glenn)
more than soup - jack shite
violet wants it her way - jack shite (w/glenn and rachael)
please don't call me ken - jack's super duper band n' stuff (me and glenn)
i don't believe you - mojack (me, mo, glenn)
put cindy back on the bus - a rich king's fat jester (me and starfinger)
merry christmas - jack shite (lyrics by me and obscurity)
dog without warning - jack shite
spalding gray is missing - jack shite (lyrics by niveous)
back from brazil - KC and the sunshine boys (me, generic, and soda)
lizard wizard - W2 and the temps (me and a whole bunch of folks)
across the dusty plains - jack shite (lyrics by me and ken)
boarding call - jack shite
nicely toasted - jack daniels
third string - jack shite
getting all sweaty - jack shite
mission accomplished - jack shite
there are so many possibilities - jack shite (lyrics by phil redmon)
thanks for coming - jack shite
please the pig - brody
let it be - jack shite (lyrics by lennon/mccartney)
let it be - yoko oh no! (me, j$, and dre)
keep in touch - jack shite
under the wagon - jack shite*
quentin tarantino - johnny in the corner (me and j$)
jimmy hat - johnny in the corner
can't take our love away - c hack (i helped out)
por favor - jack shite
secret ceremony - johnny in the corner
gift with purchase - the bloody hams (me, leaf, puce, bolio)*
new sex - the glatex love
zero to phantom - the iron clef*
piece of my heat - the bloody hams ((me, ken, leaf, puce, bolio)
les anchois - johnny in the corner
run faster - jack shite
hope you're ok - hedafine (me, leaf, the hip cola)
the wrong girl - jack shite
glass eye - the songfight orchestra
naked on the meach - jack shite
punk bartender - johnny in the corner
let's go boy - preparation H
pasty white man - luco brazzi (featuring brad sucks)
pasty white man - the molsen twins (me, j$, and leaf)
a & a - the bloody hams
don't break my heart again george lucas - the jet eye (me and the hip cola)
courage - jack shite
mean to me - the molsen twins
what's in it for me? - the songfight orchestra
funeral director - johnny in the corner
rattle - the japantown 3 (me, blue, and future boy)*
we all need love - johnny in the corner
april morning with a peach - brody

*winners

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:23 pm

Oh no, friend, I am not dissin' you - you don't have to prove yourself! You are, and will always be, in my top 5 of Songfight! I am just trying to put it into [my own] perspective. Plus I feel violated that you collab'd with Calfborg

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:28 pm

no worries. feelings are quite mutual my friend.

jack heart johnny cashpoint. in a purely hetero way of course...

frankie big face · Post by **frankie big face** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:28 pm

Spud wrote:This is an interesting thread, with some potential for influencing the operation of the site, so keep it up.

Ugh...

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:30 pm

Hey FBF I'm totally diggin' yr scene! Let's make this the non-gay gay thread, just to spite any impressive response-organisation here at SF!

(Get a haircut, hippy)

frankie big face · Post by **frankie big face** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:46 pm

I....don't know....how to feel about that post, j$.

However, next time I'm in London, you know where to find me for a pint and some mussels. One more stamp and I get a free meal!

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:48 pm

Oh come on, you know how I feel, young man. I.E. yes, let's do the voucher fillin'. I had a lovely time, and you are a lovely man (albeit in need of a haircut) and this time I wanna meet yr lovely wife (becuase I am sure she is as lovely, and also to keep up the SF commitment)

Post by **Spud** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:59 pm

frankie big face wrote:
Spud wrote:This is an interesting thread, with some potential for influencing the operation of the site, so keep it up.
Ugh...

Frank, my good man, your name and opinion about things comes up more often than anyone's (other than jb's and my own) when making decisions about the site. Your valuable input (along with dr. worm's) is one of the main reasons we have the one-fight format running right now. Now you know who to blame, people. How many times has it brought you out of the woodwork since we went back to it? With this in mind, are you really saying we shouldn't at least keep our ear to the ground?

frankie big face · Post by **frankie big face** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:10 pm

Spud wrote:
frankie big face wrote:
Spud wrote:This is an interesting thread, with some potential for influencing the operation of the site, so keep it up.
Ugh...
Frank, my good man, your name and opinion about things comes up more often than anyone's (other than jb's and my own) when making decisions about the site. Your valuable input (along with dr. worm's) is one of the main reasons we have the one-fight format running right now. Now you know who to blame, people. How many times has it brought you out of the woodwork since we went back to it? With this in mind, are you really saying we shouldn't at least keep our ear to the ground?

Spud, you are welcome to do whatever you want with your site. It is your site, after all.

For the record, I have never been in the woodwork. Ever.

Steve Durand · Post by **Steve Durand** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:19 pm

I voted for three.

I really liked having the choice and could usually find a title that appealed to me. I can get myself to write something for the one title that gets posted but I am more motivated if it is a title that I like.

Steve

thehipcola · Post by **thehipcola** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:37 pm

j$ wrote: My point being it's very well for people like Jack and Hip Cola to turn up and big up the one fight system, but they never fought that much, regardless. Not dissing them in any way, but just trying to put their stance into persepective, right?

Not offended by your suggestion Johnny, but are you suggesting that your recollection of fights participated in, or even anyone with less fights than you, somehow gives less weight to their vote? That seems, I dunno..disappointing. For the record, I'm not as prolific as you are, and it has nothing to do with the number of titles, and everything to do with the rest of my life's business. However:

11 fights with redcar,
5 as thehipcola (with TT and Henly incl.),
1 with Hedefine (Jack and Leaf),
9 with Gert,
4 with Draft
1 with HumboldtHead
4 that come to mind under other names, or with other people.

Not including sidefights and fun stuff either. I'm not in your or Jack's league, but a bit like Jack, I'm not talking out of my ass either....

(There's a joke about quality vs quantity here somewhere too, but that's for another thread...) Really, I'm happy, like your post count, your fight count is astronomically high ...but dont' suggest it ought to make you more important than anyone else around here as we chime in with our thoughts on the fight system.

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:55 pm

thehipcola wrote:
j$ wrote: My point being it's very well for people like Jack and Hip Cola to turn up and big up the one fight system, but they never fought that much, regardless. Not dissing them in any way, but just trying to put their stance into persepective, right?
Not offended by your suggestion Johnny, but are you suggesting that your recollection of fights participated in, or even anyone with less fights than you, somehow gives less weight to their vote? That seems, I dunno..disappointing. For the record, I'm not as prolific as you are, and it has nothing to do with the number of titles, and everything to do with the rest of my life's business. However:

11 fights with redcar,
5 as thehipcola (with TT and Henly incl.),
1 with Hedefine (Jack and Leaf),
9 with Gert,
4 with Draft
1 with HumboldtHead
4 that come to mind under other names, or with other people.

Not including sidefights and fun stuff either. I'm not in your or Jack's league, but a bit like Jack, I'm not talking out of my ass either....

(There's a joke about quality vs quantity here somewhere too, but that's for another thread...) Really, I'm happy, like your post count, your fight count is astronomically high ...but dont' suggest it ought to make you more important than anyone else around here as we chime in with our thoughts on the fight system.

johnny said he wasn't trying to diss me so i didn't take it that way. i think he was just being a drama queen. or drunk. or both

johnny, i really don't get your argument, but if you're going to be pigheaded about sitting out until there are multiple fights, then we all lose the beauty of your music which is a shame.

really, i can't understand why people have such an issue with one fight. if you don't like the title, don't enter. the community at large isn't waiting with anticipation and baited breath for your next songfight entry! write a song for a title you like, or made up, just for the hell of it!

but it's called Songfight! one.

nur ein! make the win meaningful again! make the reviews more focused and on point! all this nonsense about spreading it out with options for titles and smaller fights mean more reviews is just nonsense. it hasn't happened. it's diluted the equity if you ask me.

take pride in the fucking past. 1 fight.

j$ · Post by j$ » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:52 am

I didn't mean offence at all. I was just observing that two of the people who were taking the 'one fight' side were two people I wished fought more because they bring good music to songfight, which is what it's all about.

Clearly it came across as a diss, which it wasn't intended as. I didn't mean 'you don't know what you talkin' about cos you haven't produced 100+ songs'!!!! Although in retrospect I see that it could be read that way.

I'll make this clear as I can: I am all about the quality not the quantity. I want to see multiple fights because a)smaller fights make reviewing easier for me. Small bites at the cherry so to speak. b)Smaller fights make listening less of a chore for me, and I am more likely to listen to a small fight than a large one, as I don't like to cherry-pick songs by people I know. c) More titles are sexier than one.

So sorry for confusion, especially as I wasn't even drunk. Like THC said elsewhere, my rubbish posting is preferable to my rubbish songs, something I am in total agreement with

thehipcola · Post by **thehipcola** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:56 am

And for that I do apologize, I was a bit drunk, and the hangover was getting to me before I was able to get to bed. No excuse for cheap post-attacks though...my head is hung in shame.

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:26 pm

That' s not the only head that's hung on the hipcola.

Number of fights per week

How many titles per week should there be?